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		<title>By: meditation tshirt</title>
		<link>http://www.briancuban.com/facebook-at-odds-with-obama-on-holocaust-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-6923</link>
		<dc:creator>meditation tshirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.</description>
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		<title>By: stools</title>
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		<dc:creator>stools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is to belittle the awesome faculties of human reason. Thinly-veiled antisemtism can be recognized by most anyone, and those who this speech wins over are unfortunate enough to have lost control of these faculties. Let them be seen and heard for what they really are; sad, lonely fools who blame everyone else for their self-inflicted suffering. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is to belittle the awesome faculties of human reason. Thinly-veiled antisemtism can be recognized by most anyone, and those who this speech wins over are unfortunate enough to have lost control of these faculties. Let them be seen and heard for what they really are; sad, lonely fools who blame everyone else for their self-inflicted suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: martine s</title>
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		<dc:creator>martine s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holocaust denial is forbidden by law in France, (and antis&#233;mtisme, haine raciale) which makes the difference. There is an official Observatoire de l&#039;antis&#233;mitisme etc etc .Right and Left wings governments have been always keen to fight this r&#233;visionisme. Furthermore, revisionisme is still ramping :an ex comedian is a candidate for the forecoming european elections with a so called anitisionist list (as openly anti semtism is forbidden) and there is big turmoil about should he be forbidden or no... 
So this unwilingness to come to terms with the past (and a shameful past it is) might have helped in a way. 
What about Germany, does anyone know? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holocaust denial is forbidden by law in France, (and antis&eacute;mtisme, haine raciale) which makes the difference. There is an official Observatoire de l&#039;antis&eacute;mitisme etc etc .Right and Left wings governments have been always keen to fight this r&eacute;visionisme. Furthermore, revisionisme is still ramping :an ex comedian is a candidate for the forecoming european elections with a so called anitisionist list (as openly anti semtism is forbidden) and there is big turmoil about should he be forbidden or no&#8230;<br />
So this unwilingness to come to terms with the past (and a shameful past it is) might have helped in a way.<br />
What about Germany, does anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: frzfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>frzfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just another push of the capitalist agenda. Yes Holocaust Denial is wrong but that is not the reason that facebook is pushing this. 
I wrote a blog article about it at freespace7.blogspot.com. It talks about how they leave all the other racist groups but only delete these ones because they lose some cash&#8230;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another push of the capitalist agenda. Yes Holocaust Denial is wrong but that is not the reason that facebook is pushing this.<br />
I wrote a blog article about it at freespace7.blogspot.com. It talks about how they leave all the other racist groups but only delete these ones because they lose some cash&hellip;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cuban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cuban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Doug. There is however a fundamental difference of opinion on whether HD promotes hate or violence. I believe it does.</description>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Free Speech that does not promote hate or violence, should be protected.&quot;

No. Wrong. Free speech should be protected, pure and simple. Just because they are demonstrably idiots and just because they offend you is no justification to remove their right to free speech. If you don&#039;t like what they&#039;re saying then start your own Facebook groups to counter them, there&#039;s plenty of evidence for you to use. The moment you remove someone&#039;s right to their objectionable free speech then you start to limit everyone&#039;s right to free speech including that which you don&#039;t find objectionable but I might, leading to &quot;Politically Correct&quot; speech, which in turn is the first step to the &quot;truth&quot; speech in Orwell&#039;s 1984. You&#039;re a big boy, instead of trying to muzzle them, fight them, on their own ground. Just trying to shut them down is the lazy cowardly way. If you object to their ideas that greatly then take the time and effort to prove your own. Don&#039;t just rely on shutting them down on Facebook, that won&#039;t change their minds, it just makes them martyrs to their followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Free Speech that does not promote hate or violence, should be protected.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. Wrong. Free speech should be protected, pure and simple. Just because they are demonstrably idiots and just because they offend you is no justification to remove their right to free speech. If you don&#8217;t like what they&#8217;re saying then start your own Facebook groups to counter them, there&#8217;s plenty of evidence for you to use. The moment you remove someone&#8217;s right to their objectionable free speech then you start to limit everyone&#8217;s right to free speech including that which you don&#8217;t find objectionable but I might, leading to &#8220;Politically Correct&#8221; speech, which in turn is the first step to the &#8220;truth&#8221; speech in Orwell&#8217;s 1984. You&#8217;re a big boy, instead of trying to muzzle them, fight them, on their own ground. Just trying to shut them down is the lazy cowardly way. If you object to their ideas that greatly then take the time and effort to prove your own. Don&#8217;t just rely on shutting them down on Facebook, that won&#8217;t change their minds, it just makes them martyrs to their followers.</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a hard subject to discuss, at least 6 million Jewish people died in the Holocaust, after that, once German soldiers, police and SS units started killing innocent Jews, they then moved on to other people, because once the act of racist or religious murder became acceptable to them, they started to murder others, including European Muslims, Russians, African Blacks, and Gypsies, and it all started with the thinking &quot;murdering people, even innocent people, was OK because they are different from me, and maybe their race or religion is to blame for my problems.&quot;  That is what the Holocaust is truly about.  It is the thinking that &quot;someone is different than me, therefore they are to blame for my troubles, and I can humiliate, criminalize, de-humanize, and maybe even kill them&quot;.  We all get mad at people of different religions or skin colors or national origins at some point in our lives, but then most of us pull-back and think to ourselves that we are not perfect, and before blaming others for our troubles, we should try solving things ourselves, even if &quot;we&quot; are not at fault.  Racist and Bigoted people do not do this, once something has gone wrong in their lives, even if THEY ARE AT THEIR OWN FAULT, they will deny their troubles are theirs to take care of, and feel the need to blame others.  By blaming other people based on religion, race, national origin, or even being sexist allows bigots to blame a faceless enemy, and faceless enemies are the easiest to hate and blame. 
 
The problems I have with this issue is do you tell others what to think, such as telling Facebook to shut-down hate sites, putting some issue with the freedom-of-speech, or do you let hate-mongerers continue putting inaccurate and make-believe, falsehood garbage on Facebook.   
 
As far as China&#039;s restrictions on Facebook, they came to power by wiping-out ethnic Russians in their territory, killed off the ethnic Japanese and Koreans in their present territory, and killing most of both the ethnic Hindu/Indian and Tibetian populations in Tibet.  Of course, the USSR came to power by wiping out most of Russia&#039;s Jewish, Nordic, and Inuit populations as well.  Most communist and fascist military dictatorships come to power with religious, racist, and ethnic blood-bathing being the preferred method, usually occurring because the victim ethnic groups are being blamed for that country&#039;s problems, even if they have nothing to do with the problems, not to mention that they usually have no power since they are minorities.  This is how Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Stalinist Soviet Russia came to power, and between 6-12 million Jews died at these monster regimes hands.  For the Russians, though, Stalin&#039;s early alliance with Nazi Germany was repaid by millions of his own people, Jewish or not, being slain by the Nazis once they betrayed Russia, broke their alliance, and invaded Russia. 
 
This is a issue for Facebook to resolve in the end, but since I don&#039;t like or agree with these &quot;Anti-Holocaust&quot; people, I don&#039;t buy, read or watch what they have to say.  I may make myself aware of their ideas, but these people make me sick and make me think that it is possible for there to be people who are a discredit to the human race.  I am not Jewish myself, but the Holocaust DID HAPPEN, and we should all learn from it, from Confederate South Slavery &amp; Jim Crow laws, Apartheid, the Rwandan Tribal Massacres, the Sudanese Darfur Genocide, and other horrible events.  If we don&#039;t learn from these atrocities, then we are doomed to repeat them, again! 
 
Jesse 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a hard subject to discuss, at least 6 million Jewish people died in the Holocaust, after that, once German soldiers, police and SS units started killing innocent Jews, they then moved on to other people, because once the act of racist or religious murder became acceptable to them, they started to murder others, including European Muslims, Russians, African Blacks, and Gypsies, and it all started with the thinking &quot;murdering people, even innocent people, was OK because they are different from me, and maybe their race or religion is to blame for my problems.&quot;  That is what the Holocaust is truly about.  It is the thinking that &quot;someone is different than me, therefore they are to blame for my troubles, and I can humiliate, criminalize, de-humanize, and maybe even kill them&quot;.  We all get mad at people of different religions or skin colors or national origins at some point in our lives, but then most of us pull-back and think to ourselves that we are not perfect, and before blaming others for our troubles, we should try solving things ourselves, even if &quot;we&quot; are not at fault.  Racist and Bigoted people do not do this, once something has gone wrong in their lives, even if THEY ARE AT THEIR OWN FAULT, they will deny their troubles are theirs to take care of, and feel the need to blame others.  By blaming other people based on religion, race, national origin, or even being sexist allows bigots to blame a faceless enemy, and faceless enemies are the easiest to hate and blame. </p>
<p>The problems I have with this issue is do you tell others what to think, such as telling Facebook to shut-down hate sites, putting some issue with the freedom-of-speech, or do you let hate-mongerers continue putting inaccurate and make-believe, falsehood garbage on Facebook.   </p>
<p>As far as China&#039;s restrictions on Facebook, they came to power by wiping-out ethnic Russians in their territory, killed off the ethnic Japanese and Koreans in their present territory, and killing most of both the ethnic Hindu/Indian and Tibetian populations in Tibet.  Of course, the USSR came to power by wiping out most of Russia&#039;s Jewish, Nordic, and Inuit populations as well.  Most communist and fascist military dictatorships come to power with religious, racist, and ethnic blood-bathing being the preferred method, usually occurring because the victim ethnic groups are being blamed for that country&#039;s problems, even if they have nothing to do with the problems, not to mention that they usually have no power since they are minorities.  This is how Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Stalinist Soviet Russia came to power, and between 6-12 million Jews died at these monster regimes hands.  For the Russians, though, Stalin&#039;s early alliance with Nazi Germany was repaid by millions of his own people, Jewish or not, being slain by the Nazis once they betrayed Russia, broke their alliance, and invaded Russia. </p>
<p>This is a issue for Facebook to resolve in the end, but since I don&#039;t like or agree with these &quot;Anti-Holocaust&quot; people, I don&#039;t buy, read or watch what they have to say.  I may make myself aware of their ideas, but these people make me sick and make me think that it is possible for there to be people who are a discredit to the human race.  I am not Jewish myself, but the Holocaust DID HAPPEN, and we should all learn from it, from Confederate South Slavery &amp; Jim Crow laws, Apartheid, the Rwandan Tribal Massacres, the Sudanese Darfur Genocide, and other horrible events.  If we don&#039;t learn from these atrocities, then we are doomed to repeat them, again! </p>
<p>Jesse</p>
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		<title>By: eah</title>
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		<dc:creator>eah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buchenwald was not a so-called &#039;death camp&#039;. It was a concentration camp. No one denies the existence of concentration camps, or the cruelty that was perpetrated there.  
 
In this way, the foto accompanying this post is somewhat dishonest, because it shows what might have been a typical scene at a *concentration camp*. But this is different from the Holocaust, which refers to the (purported, some would say -- there are people who dispute specific portions of the Holocaust story) deliberate policy of the Germans to murder Jews, e.g. via gas.  
 
BTW, what did you &#039;see for yourself&#039;? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buchenwald was not a so-called &#039;death camp&#039;. It was a concentration camp. No one denies the existence of concentration camps, or the cruelty that was perpetrated there.  </p>
<p>In this way, the foto accompanying this post is somewhat dishonest, because it shows what might have been a typical scene at a *concentration camp*. But this is different from the Holocaust, which refers to the (purported, some would say &#8212; there are people who dispute specific portions of the Holocaust story) deliberate policy of the Germans to murder Jews, e.g. via gas.  </p>
<p>BTW, what did you &#039;see for yourself&#039;?</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whats the holocaust? im not sure what it is but i heard it was made up... like the tooth fairy </description>
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		<title>By: TheAnswerIs42</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheAnswerIs42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 13:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CNN page that links to this site states &quot;The Holocaust Denial movement seeks to deny or minimize the Holocaust, in which Nazis killed about six million European Jews during World War II. &quot;    
 
If I&#039;m not mistaken 11 million died in the Holocaust.  Why only count the 6 million?  Do the 5 million non-jews not count?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CNN page that links to this site states &quot;The Holocaust Denial movement seeks to deny or minimize the Holocaust, in which Nazis killed about six million European Jews during World War II. &quot;    </p>
<p>If I&#039;m not mistaken 11 million died in the Holocaust.  Why only count the 6 million?  Do the 5 million non-jews not count?</p>
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		<title>By: Hjezek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hjezek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian &amp; Christine: 
Brian &amp; Christine: 
I blieve you both are right. 
One one hand, each movement starts out a a small group and as Brian rightly mentioned, we saw where that led with Nazi Germany. 
On the other hand, the more attention we give marginal groups like that, the more we make them attractive to people who probably didn&#039;t even hear about them in the first place. 
I believe, most people today know that denying the holocaust is just plain ridiculous. 
Harald </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &amp; Christine:<br />
Brian &amp; Christine:<br />
I blieve you both are right.<br />
One one hand, each movement starts out a a small group and as Brian rightly mentioned, we saw where that led with Nazi Germany.<br />
On the other hand, the more attention we give marginal groups like that, the more we make them attractive to people who probably didn&#039;t even hear about them in the first place.<br />
I believe, most people today know that denying the holocaust is just plain ridiculous.<br />
Harald</p>
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		<title>By: jdva</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S. Newman said: &quot;I immediately removed my page from Facebook...&quot; 
 
You&#039;re the only one that can do that, then. Facebook doesn&#039;t allow users to delete their accounts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S. Newman said: &quot;I immediately removed my page from Facebook&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>You&#039;re the only one that can do that, then. Facebook doesn&#039;t allow users to delete their accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jews have an organisation called the ADL among others that fights against racism of all sorts, and works to promote the awareness of genocide and prevent it wherever it is.  While it may appear that Jews only focus on their own genocide they are extremely aware and active in trying to prevent others.  Unfortunately, just the genocide of Jews, more current genocides are extremely difficult to stop.   
 
If half of your family had been killed you might still be talking about it 60 years later also...or not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jews have an organisation called the ADL among others that fights against racism of all sorts, and works to promote the awareness of genocide and prevent it wherever it is.  While it may appear that Jews only focus on their own genocide they are extremely aware and active in trying to prevent others.  Unfortunately, just the genocide of Jews, more current genocides are extremely difficult to stop.   </p>
<p>If half of your family had been killed you might still be talking about it 60 years later also&#8230;or not.</p>
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		<title>By: lostkiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>lostkiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 11:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why do these nuts do it?  In my opinion, this is the really deplorable and Anti-Semetic angle here.  They know the Holocaust did occur, but they use the &quot;denial&quot; angle as a cowardly way to get their true core prejudices a venue.  It hurts those that suffered through it and that is what it is all about.  They are not true scientists or historians talking about something...just some hateful people who are too cowardly to come out and say, &quot;We&#039;re bigots and we want to work up Jewish people who went through the Hitler horrors because we are real f--ked up.&quot; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why do these nuts do it?  In my opinion, this is the really deplorable and Anti-Semetic angle here.  They know the Holocaust did occur, but they use the &quot;denial&quot; angle as a cowardly way to get their true core prejudices a venue.  It hurts those that suffered through it and that is what it is all about.  They are not true scientists or historians talking about something&#8230;just some hateful people who are too cowardly to come out and say, &quot;We&#039;re bigots and we want to work up Jewish people who went through the Hitler horrors because we are real f&#8211;ked up.&quot;</p>
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