If thats the case, it wouldn’t be uncommon for his mouth to contain blood from gingivitis or other gum diseases.

So in essence, there could be blood in his saliva.

Whoever says its impossible to contract hiv from saliva is retarded.

Its possible to contract HIV from saliva that contains blood, hello people!

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BTW, acetaminophen kills the liver. and, yeah, it isn’t a pleasant way to die. You last a few days while you slowly get poisoned to death by your own body’s waste products.

Simon

A deadly weapon is not always about what the item is, it can be about how it is used.

I’m glad you brought up the fact the acetaminophin can kill you. It’s actually one of the more deadly medications on the market. I have a friend who is a peramedic/fireman. He’s gone on quite a number of calls where people “attempt suicide” as a desperate plea for help. Unfortunately they wait too long to call the paramedics and by the time help arrives they’ve already absorbed too much acetaminophen into their blood stream. It shuts down the kidneys (I think that’s right, although it might be the liver) and the patient dies a few days later. There’s nothing the doctors can do. You simply can’t get a donor organ that fast. If you are going to “attempt suicide” as a desperate plea for help don’t use acetaminophen, or at least call for an ambulance immediately after swallowing the pills.

Assuming the “attacker” actually believed you could transmit HIV through spit, it depends how ridiculous an attack can be considered a deadly weapon. If someone through a jelly bean at you saying he’s going to kill you with it is that attempted murder? theres a chance the jelly bean might get in your mouth and make you choke. Or more reasonably if someone shoots a champagne cork at you with malice (which have been known to kill people..not exactly sure how but they have). Seeing as we have recorded evidence of corks killing ppl and not HIV saliva transmission the requirements for a deadly weapon have to be quite reduced. Human spit itself is chock full of bacteria that is potentially lethal in the right circumstances so the same exact situation with an HIV negative person should cause the same response. If spit is a deadly weapon then so are champagne corks and jelly beans and the obvious kicking and punching anyone does who’s resisting arrest. Will these all be deadly weapons too?

If you’re arguing intent to kill then that’s different. We’ll just have to accept lame attempts at homicide as well. Throwing sponges or something. Either way it’ll be nearly impossible to prove in court anyway. You can always lie and say you just wanted to scare/hurt the guy. Making this logistically difficult if anything.

Oh and as for the acetaminophen suicide. acetaminophen overdose will very easily kill you. It’s one of the leading causes of drug suicides actually and one of the first things doctors test for in the ER. Since this is the policy now and since treatment is pretty good I guess you can say the success rate is lower now but as long as you find a way to stay away from a hospital for a little while then you’ll die very easily (as easily as you can by taking drugs of course which in itself isn’t that effective).

Doctor: Sir, you have AIDS.
Man: How can that be, I’ve only been spit on by transients with HIV!?
Doctor (thinks): oh boy this is going to look great in the New England Journal of Medicine!!

Unlike Speaker who was just an arrogant, selfish and reckless prick, the spitter in your story intended malice, which as you know carries a much higher level of culpability that that tool Speaker.

Because someone doesn’t kill someone with their intentional act of violance doesn’t mean that they didn’t mean to not kill them.

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