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		<title>By: Russ Vandeveerdonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Vandeveerdonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue still needs to be addressed, the denials have gone on for years. It is just the same old same old jew hating conspiracy by many who love to say the holocaust never happened. Just sick and sad. In the early 40&#039;s, my grandparents saved countless jewish faithed people from the Nazi&#039;s by hiding them in thier basement, my grandfather was the Mayor of Heeswijk, Dinther, The Netherlands and so he could get away with it. Good deeds done many years ago, he would turn in his grave if he read some of the posts above. Denial that it never happened, come on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue still needs to be addressed, the denials have gone on for years. It is just the same old same old jew hating conspiracy by many who love to say the holocaust never happened. Just sick and sad. In the early 40&#039;s, my grandparents saved countless jewish faithed people from the Nazi&#039;s by hiding them in thier basement, my grandfather was the Mayor of Heeswijk, Dinther, The Netherlands and so he could get away with it. Good deeds done many years ago, he would turn in his grave if he read some of the posts above. Denial that it never happened, come on.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cuban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cuban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS COMMENTARY APPEARS TO HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM THE POST TOPIC I AM TURNING OFF COMMENTS. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THE POST YOU CAN MESSAGE ME AND I WILL POST IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS COMMENTARY APPEARS TO HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM THE POST TOPIC I AM TURNING OFF COMMENTS. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THE POST YOU CAN MESSAGE ME AND I WILL POST IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Mira Fukrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mira Fukrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Cuban</title>
		<link>http://www.briancuban.com/the-facebook-of-holocaust-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-3605</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cuban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirka

I don&#039;t care if I got the idea from the Unabomber&#039;s web site.(if he had one) I do not worry about where the issue is posted. I evaluate the merits of the issue itself and whether it is something I am interested in writing about. My approach would be no different if the exact some material appeared on your blog.  It is called commentary. Look it up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirka</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if I got the idea from the Unabomber&#8217;s web site.(if he had one) I do not worry about where the issue is posted. I evaluate the merits of the issue itself and whether it is something I am interested in writing about. My approach would be no different if the exact some material appeared on your blog.  It is called commentary. Look it up</p>
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		<title>By: Mira Fukrer</title>
		<link>http://www.briancuban.com/the-facebook-of-holocaust-denial/comment-page-1/#comment-3603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mira Fukrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you also going to delete the comment by the JIDF? I am dissapointed.  You failed to disclose the obvious and main source of your article. You have jeopardized your credibility and reputation by writing an article that it is entirely the authorship of another individual. This is unethical and you owe an apology to your readers for such disregard and transgression. I feel violated and cheated.   I noticed that a member of the JIDF has become aware, however this person has not strongly demanded accountability. It is up to you to apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you also going to delete the comment by the JIDF? I am dissapointed.  You failed to disclose the obvious and main source of your article. You have jeopardized your credibility and reputation by writing an article that it is entirely the authorship of another individual. This is unethical and you owe an apology to your readers for such disregard and transgression. I feel violated and cheated.   I noticed that a member of the JIDF has become aware, however this person has not strongly demanded accountability. It is up to you to apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Cree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are Holocaust deniers wrong? Most definitely.

Immoral? Quite possibly.

Should it be illegal to spread lies regardless of the sensitivity of the topic? The US says no but Germany says yes in this case.

Seems the US founders understood something that the Germans seem to have missed. The only effective way to confront lies is with truth, not with making lying illegal.

It&#039;s the same problem I have with hate speech laws. The idea is noble and in theory I&#039;m for it: Prevent the inciting of physical violence against an unpopular minority. Trouble is it too easily evolves from &quot;speech that incites violence&quot; into &quot;speech that we in power don&#039;t like.&quot; 

Make the violence illegal. Punish it severely and swiftly.

But allow the stupid people to spew their lies and hate. Counter it with truth and love. That&#039;s a far more effective system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are Holocaust deniers wrong? Most definitely.</p>
<p>Immoral? Quite possibly.</p>
<p>Should it be illegal to spread lies regardless of the sensitivity of the topic? The US says no but Germany says yes in this case.</p>
<p>Seems the US founders understood something that the Germans seem to have missed. The only effective way to confront lies is with truth, not with making lying illegal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same problem I have with hate speech laws. The idea is noble and in theory I&#8217;m for it: Prevent the inciting of physical violence against an unpopular minority. Trouble is it too easily evolves from &#8220;speech that incites violence&#8221; into &#8220;speech that we in power don&#8217;t like.&#8221; </p>
<p>Make the violence illegal. Punish it severely and swiftly.</p>
<p>But allow the stupid people to spew their lies and hate. Counter it with truth and love. That&#8217;s a far more effective system.</p>
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		<title>By: ios</title>
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		<dc:creator>ios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People are getting caught up in the 1st Amendment. This is a TOS issue. I would like FB to explain how the fact that HD is a crime in Germany where they have a platorm plays into outlined TOS provision.&quot;

You&#039;re using the TOS as an *excuse* to make a big stink out of this.  You obviously disagree with what these people are saying, and you believe they should be prevented from saying it.  You could make an argument that &quot;these laws exist in these other countries because holocaust denial causes legitimate problems there that supersede freedom of speech,&quot; but that&#039;s not what you&#039;re saying.  You&#039;re saying &quot;I disagree with these people, and there is a circumstance under which they could conceivably be prevented from saying it so I will press the issue because I think these people are stupid.  The TOS is an *excuse* for you to moan about others exercising their freedom of speech.  Everyone can see through this, so just STFU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People are getting caught up in the 1st Amendment. This is a TOS issue. I would like FB to explain how the fact that HD is a crime in Germany where they have a platorm plays into outlined TOS provision.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re using the TOS as an *excuse* to make a big stink out of this.  You obviously disagree with what these people are saying, and you believe they should be prevented from saying it.  You could make an argument that &#8220;these laws exist in these other countries because holocaust denial causes legitimate problems there that supersede freedom of speech,&#8221; but that&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re saying.  You&#8217;re saying &#8220;I disagree with these people, and there is a circumstance under which they could conceivably be prevented from saying it so I will press the issue because I think these people are stupid.  The TOS is an *excuse* for you to moan about others exercising their freedom of speech.  Everyone can see through this, so just STFU.</p>
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		<title>By: ios</title>
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		<dc:creator>ios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st Amendment.

Idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st Amendment.</p>
<p>Idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Coexistence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coexistence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The holocaust happened, the numbers are probably just a guesstimate and could be inflated. But it did happen, but I think your raising too big a stink about this. There&#039;s tons of racism on the Internet look up a racial swear and you&#039;ll see all sorts of disgusting sites about this.

The most prominent are ones against blacks, jews, and arabs/muslims. I&#039;m saddened that many who stand up for one, turn a blind eye to the other. If you are against racism to blacks, you should stand up against racim to jews. If you stand up against racism to jews, you should stand up against racism to arabs/muslims. To stand up for one, but not the others - is to let them all down. Racism happens, Facebook is not responsible. Blame the actual users. 

Are they saying bad stuff about Jews? If they are then yea do something about it. Moderate the discussion, censor them, ban users that are distributing hate.  But if they aren&#039;t then leave them be, so long as they aren&#039;t hurting anyone by spreading hate - it really shouldn&#039;t matter. 

I&#039;m kinda alarmed by the presence of Israeli lobby groups like the JIDF, why aren&#039;t they going after forums like Rainbow Six - which has been a well known source of racism against Asians and Arabs. Why are they only looking out for Israel, why don&#039;t they speak out against other acts of racism and hatred in the world and media. Stop defending your own self-interests and start defending the good of the public, the good of the world - crush racism all together, not just stop it for a select group and perpetuate it towards others.

I have strong sentiments against Lobby groups, of all kinds, they tend to be self-serving and not in the interests of the people. Their presence here is unwelcome, at least to me as a reader. It would be nice Mr Cuban if you could give us some disclosure on your own beliefs and what side you take with respect to this, I&#039;m assuming your pro-Israel, which is fine, but will you be so brave to stand up for the other sides who face racism as well - a post perhaps on the face of racism towards Middle Easterners and Muslims, Asians, Blacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The holocaust happened, the numbers are probably just a guesstimate and could be inflated. But it did happen, but I think your raising too big a stink about this. There&#8217;s tons of racism on the Internet look up a racial swear and you&#8217;ll see all sorts of disgusting sites about this.</p>
<p>The most prominent are ones against blacks, jews, and arabs/muslims. I&#8217;m saddened that many who stand up for one, turn a blind eye to the other. If you are against racism to blacks, you should stand up against racim to jews. If you stand up against racism to jews, you should stand up against racism to arabs/muslims. To stand up for one, but not the others &#8211; is to let them all down. Racism happens, Facebook is not responsible. Blame the actual users. </p>
<p>Are they saying bad stuff about Jews? If they are then yea do something about it. Moderate the discussion, censor them, ban users that are distributing hate.  But if they aren&#8217;t then leave them be, so long as they aren&#8217;t hurting anyone by spreading hate &#8211; it really shouldn&#8217;t matter. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m kinda alarmed by the presence of Israeli lobby groups like the JIDF, why aren&#8217;t they going after forums like Rainbow Six &#8211; which has been a well known source of racism against Asians and Arabs. Why are they only looking out for Israel, why don&#8217;t they speak out against other acts of racism and hatred in the world and media. Stop defending your own self-interests and start defending the good of the public, the good of the world &#8211; crush racism all together, not just stop it for a select group and perpetuate it towards others.</p>
<p>I have strong sentiments against Lobby groups, of all kinds, they tend to be self-serving and not in the interests of the people. Their presence here is unwelcome, at least to me as a reader. It would be nice Mr Cuban if you could give us some disclosure on your own beliefs and what side you take with respect to this, I&#8217;m assuming your pro-Israel, which is fine, but will you be so brave to stand up for the other sides who face racism as well &#8211; a post perhaps on the face of racism towards Middle Easterners and Muslims, Asians, Blacks?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for an absolutely outstanding article. I had never thought that social media might be an avenue for promoting such brazen untruths.

I posted some additional information here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an absolutely outstanding article. I had never thought that social media might be an avenue for promoting such brazen untruths.</p>
<p>I posted some additional information here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cuban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cuban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are getting caught up in the 1st Amendment. This is a TOS issue. I would like FB to explain how the fact that HD is a crime in Germany where they have a platorm plays into outlined TOS provision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are getting caught up in the 1st Amendment. This is a TOS issue. I would like FB to explain how the fact that HD is a crime in Germany where they have a platorm plays into outlined TOS provision.</p>
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		<title>By: Roni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every single member of said groups shows their ignorance &amp; stupidity on a public forum. The legal matter always falls back on the fact they are a private entity. Regardless a non-reply on Facebook&#039;s part is unprofessional, and unfortunately such deniers exist with or without FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every single member of said groups shows their ignorance &amp; stupidity on a public forum. The legal matter always falls back on the fact they are a private entity. Regardless a non-reply on Facebook&#8217;s part is unprofessional, and unfortunately such deniers exist with or without FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Oxnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oxnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least the videos mentioned have been removed by YouTube.</description>
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		<title>By: Manny Pelaez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manny Pelaez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those TOS are impossible to universally enforce. Take your desired result (that they enforce the TOS strictly by taking account the speech limitation laws of other countries) to it&#039;s logical extreme and they would be in the position of prohibiting negative comments about the prophet Mohammed, the Saudi Royal Family, Kim Jong Il, and the Chinise heads of state. They would also have to prohibit proselytizing, admiration of the Dalai Lama, and the advocacy for human rights and democratic elections.

I think their in-house lawyers are really only worried about the postings that are likely to result in actual damages (e.g. intellectual property right damages, actionable defamation damages, damages resulting from terroristic threats,etc).  Also, I bet that they are more worried about breaking U.S. law and the laws of Ireland, the site of their international HQ offices than they are about breaking the laws of other countries. 

Lastly, I think you are barking up the wrong tree with your inquiry.  The more interesting questions that ought to be asked are: Why is the British government refusing to enforce a German arrest warrant? Is Germany any different that China and Syria in their zeal for criminalizing unpopular ideas? Isn&#039;t it a basic human right to be able to say anything (except fire in a threatre) even if that utterance is offensive to thin skinned bloggers? 

If I remember correctly, Syria, Iran, and China have blocked its citizens&#039; access to Facebook. Germany can certainly do the same thing if it so chooses. instead it is trying to force its twisted doctrine of limited speech rights on countries with a more liberal approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those TOS are impossible to universally enforce. Take your desired result (that they enforce the TOS strictly by taking account the speech limitation laws of other countries) to it&#8217;s logical extreme and they would be in the position of prohibiting negative comments about the prophet Mohammed, the Saudi Royal Family, Kim Jong Il, and the Chinise heads of state. They would also have to prohibit proselytizing, admiration of the Dalai Lama, and the advocacy for human rights and democratic elections.</p>
<p>I think their in-house lawyers are really only worried about the postings that are likely to result in actual damages (e.g. intellectual property right damages, actionable defamation damages, damages resulting from terroristic threats,etc).  Also, I bet that they are more worried about breaking U.S. law and the laws of Ireland, the site of their international HQ offices than they are about breaking the laws of other countries. </p>
<p>Lastly, I think you are barking up the wrong tree with your inquiry.  The more interesting questions that ought to be asked are: Why is the British government refusing to enforce a German arrest warrant? Is Germany any different that China and Syria in their zeal for criminalizing unpopular ideas? Isn&#8217;t it a basic human right to be able to say anything (except fire in a threatre) even if that utterance is offensive to thin skinned bloggers? </p>
<p>If I remember correctly, Syria, Iran, and China have blocked its citizens&#8217; access to Facebook. Germany can certainly do the same thing if it so chooses. instead it is trying to force its twisted doctrine of limited speech rights on countries with a more liberal approach.</p>
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