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		<title>By: isaiah</title>
		<link>http://www.briancuban.com/the-science-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-13087</link>
		<dc:creator>isaiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How dumb are you? </description>
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		<title>By: Scottfm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful of what you wish for..., your &quot;Intelligent Designer&quot; may not turn out to be a God at all. </description>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how much evidence creationists think they can point to, if its not possible to falsify any of it through observation or experimentation, it is simply not scientific.  A not-scientific theory has no place in a scientific discussion.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how much evidence creationists think they can point to, if its not possible to falsify any of it through observation or experimentation, it is simply not scientific.  A not-scientific theory has no place in a scientific discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent read on the subject is &quot;Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America&#039;s Soul&quot; by Kenneth R. Miller. Not only does he debunk the ID movement and its lack of science to back it up, Meanwhile evolution has much credible evidence behind it. He rightly points out how the ID movement (largely a cleverly disguised, slightly modified creationist affair) seriously undermines America&#039;s leading role in the world in the science community. 
 
Despite creationist or ID outcry, absolutely nothing about evolution dictates atheism. For some it does indeed, but for others like me, evolution is how God created me.  
 
Yes, I believe in God AND evolution.  I think that evolution indeed was our maker&#039;s way of creating us--randomness, natural selection, all of it. This makes us even more special. I am not concerned that complex processes cannot to be shown to have suddenly appeared. as the  Intelligent Design folks desparately have tried but failed to show. 
 
 My God&#039;s hand is invisible--and works via evolution. But that is just my opinion--just my faith, a gut feeling, I can&#039;t prove that, and so neither should I expect that faith, that idea to be taught. Nor should Intelligent Design. ID cannot show any science to back up its claims. But evolution has PLENTY of HIGHLY credible science and rightfully should be taught.  I have no problem with creationism and ID being mentioned, but only in passing to understand the issue-- but they do not have the basis to demand equal time. 
 
Some folks have had trouble grasping the earth is not flat, nor the center of the universe. I am amused at those who cling to the Bible for science facts because if it is a bestseller. Thinking that being related to other animals is somehow awful and degrading strikes me as just silly, self-centered and close-minded.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent read on the subject is &quot;Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America&#039;s Soul&quot; by Kenneth R. Miller. Not only does he debunk the ID movement and its lack of science to back it up, Meanwhile evolution has much credible evidence behind it. He rightly points out how the ID movement (largely a cleverly disguised, slightly modified creationist affair) seriously undermines America&#039;s leading role in the world in the science community. </p>
<p>Despite creationist or ID outcry, absolutely nothing about evolution dictates atheism. For some it does indeed, but for others like me, evolution is how God created me.  </p>
<p>Yes, I believe in God AND evolution.  I think that evolution indeed was our maker&#039;s way of creating us&#8211;randomness, natural selection, all of it. This makes us even more special. I am not concerned that complex processes cannot to be shown to have suddenly appeared. as the  Intelligent Design folks desparately have tried but failed to show. </p>
<p> My God&#039;s hand is invisible&#8211;and works via evolution. But that is just my opinion&#8211;just my faith, a gut feeling, I can&#039;t prove that, and so neither should I expect that faith, that idea to be taught. Nor should Intelligent Design. ID cannot show any science to back up its claims. But evolution has PLENTY of HIGHLY credible science and rightfully should be taught.  I have no problem with creationism and ID being mentioned, but only in passing to understand the issue&#8211; but they do not have the basis to demand equal time. </p>
<p>Some folks have had trouble grasping the earth is not flat, nor the center of the universe. I am amused at those who cling to the Bible for science facts because if it is a bestseller. Thinking that being related to other animals is somehow awful and degrading strikes me as just silly, self-centered and close-minded.</p>
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		<title>By: d_sauce</title>
		<link>http://www.briancuban.com/the-science-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-6694</link>
		<dc:creator>d_sauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no reason to believe that either side is inherently wrong. As mentioned above in the comments and to some extent in the text, there are gaps within both models. &quot;Intelligent Design&quot; is less than a theory, but there is no reason to not develop and understanding of it and possibly merge the ideas. Actual principals and concepts of Evolution as a theory and Intelligent Design as a hypothesis have the capability of being merged, assuming we had means to test the new theory. Why doesn&#039;t god have a hand in what we call natural selection? I&#039;d like to point out that there is a skewed/distorted representation of time in the &quot;good book&quot;. Not once is an actual &quot;day&quot; defined, nor a &quot;year&quot;. If we all recall, for those who have background, Abraham was exceptionally old. Who is to say that the &quot;days&quot; in Genesis are not eras or periods previously shown as a much larger representation of time and that Abraham and others noted in the same books are not representations of large groups of people over vast span of time. Remember, much of the stories in the books consist of lessons taught by reading between the lines.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no reason to believe that either side is inherently wrong. As mentioned above in the comments and to some extent in the text, there are gaps within both models. &quot;Intelligent Design&quot; is less than a theory, but there is no reason to not develop and understanding of it and possibly merge the ideas. Actual principals and concepts of Evolution as a theory and Intelligent Design as a hypothesis have the capability of being merged, assuming we had means to test the new theory. Why doesn&#039;t god have a hand in what we call natural selection? I&#039;d like to point out that there is a skewed/distorted representation of time in the &quot;good book&quot;. Not once is an actual &quot;day&quot; defined, nor a &quot;year&quot;. If we all recall, for those who have background, Abraham was exceptionally old. Who is to say that the &quot;days&quot; in Genesis are not eras or periods previously shown as a much larger representation of time and that Abraham and others noted in the same books are not representations of large groups of people over vast span of time. Remember, much of the stories in the books consist of lessons taught by reading between the lines.</p>
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		<title>By: altagato</title>
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		<dc:creator>altagato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(couldn&#039;t fit it all in one) 
Also, the fact that creationism is the only alternative to naturalism that is agreed upon by the general scientific community, makes it a valid teaching topic! Obviously, not all scientists agree on which one is true, but they do agree it must be one or the other.  
 
Taking Ann&#039;s example... it was once agreed on by a greater majority that the earth was flat (and the center of the universe!) ... indeed teaching that an alternative to &#039;fact&#039; and saying the earth was round was even considered un-scientific. If we&#039;ve digressed to a point of legally decreeing that all students must subscribe to one school of scientific thought and theory, perhaps we should also teach the world is flat again? </description>
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Also, the fact that creationism is the only alternative to naturalism that is agreed upon by the general scientific community, makes it a valid teaching topic! Obviously, not all scientists agree on which one is true, but they do agree it must be one or the other.  </p>
<p>Taking Ann&#039;s example&#8230; it was once agreed on by a greater majority that the earth was flat (and the center of the universe!) &#8230; indeed teaching that an alternative to &#039;fact&#039; and saying the earth was round was even considered un-scientific. If we&#039;ve digressed to a point of legally decreeing that all students must subscribe to one school of scientific thought and theory, perhaps we should also teach the world is flat again?</p>
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		<title>By: altagato</title>
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		<dc:creator>altagato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cont from reply to Mary: 
In the same way other sci ideas bring together a series of fact, there are established sci facts that are consistent with creationism.  There are many facts that are shared by creatinism vs. naturalism debate and the way in which creationism relates those facts, just lends to a non-evo (as a whole theory) point of view.  There is no such thing as a fact that requires a single interpretation of it&#039;s relation to other facts.  
 
Creationism is easily dismissed by the secular sci community  and accused of lacking scientific value of a theory at all. However, creationism is transparently compatible with the scientific approach Mary (and apparently Brian) defines for an scientific topic. Creationism makes statements about real people, places, things and events and is NOT supported solely with subjective ideas.  
 
Since the foundations for naturalism and creationism relating the facts together are both supported on some pillars of assumptions, why shouldn&#039;t creationism be considered at least as scientific as the other? There is no scientific logic in throwing out one theory&#039;s presuppositions over another. Likewise there is nothing scientific in teaching there is no theoretical alternative to a theory.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cont from reply to Mary:<br />
In the same way other sci ideas bring together a series of fact, there are established sci facts that are consistent with creationism.  There are many facts that are shared by creatinism vs. naturalism debate and the way in which creationism relates those facts, just lends to a non-evo (as a whole theory) point of view.  There is no such thing as a fact that requires a single interpretation of it&#039;s relation to other facts.  </p>
<p>Creationism is easily dismissed by the secular sci community  and accused of lacking scientific value of a theory at all. However, creationism is transparently compatible with the scientific approach Mary (and apparently Brian) defines for an scientific topic. Creationism makes statements about real people, places, things and events and is NOT supported solely with subjective ideas.  </p>
<p>Since the foundations for naturalism and creationism relating the facts together are both supported on some pillars of assumptions, why shouldn&#039;t creationism be considered at least as scientific as the other? There is no scientific logic in throwing out one theory&#039;s presuppositions over another. Likewise there is nothing scientific in teaching there is no theoretical alternative to a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: altagato</title>
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		<dc:creator>altagato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Intelligent design&#039; was indeed used to get around laws. . I think that specifically came to circumvent those in the scientific community that overreacted to a theory of a religious community. This stopped them from looking critically at science and evolution, so as to not give any ground to the &#039;religious nuts&#039;.  
 
Before we whether creationism should be taught in schools, we should probably discuss that Microevo(lution) and Macroevo should definitely be taught as seperate ideas. It should be taught there are broad differences and alternatives to the latter. It&#039;s ignorant to recognize &#039;Evolution&#039; as a single scientific theory. Even so, it continues to be taught as &#039;evolution&#039; and used as an argument against creationism teaching. Did you know that most scientific creationists agree on the support of the theory of microevolution? 
 
The part of the theory that creationists heavily disagree is Macro-Evolution. It, like creationism, is based on scientific principles that at best require blind faith of certain assumptions before a single experiment or test is performed. (I wouldn&#039;t argue that due this it&#039;s not a theory, but it seems that maybe Mary is saying exactly that?) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#039;Intelligent design&#039; was indeed used to get around laws. . I think that specifically came to circumvent those in the scientific community that overreacted to a theory of a religious community. This stopped them from looking critically at science and evolution, so as to not give any ground to the &#039;religious nuts&#039;.  </p>
<p>Before we whether creationism should be taught in schools, we should probably discuss that Microevo(lution) and Macroevo should definitely be taught as seperate ideas. It should be taught there are broad differences and alternatives to the latter. It&#039;s ignorant to recognize &#039;Evolution&#039; as a single scientific theory. Even so, it continues to be taught as &#039;evolution&#039; and used as an argument against creationism teaching. Did you know that most scientific creationists agree on the support of the theory of microevolution? </p>
<p>The part of the theory that creationists heavily disagree is Macro-Evolution. It, like creationism, is based on scientific principles that at best require blind faith of certain assumptions before a single experiment or test is performed. (I wouldn&#039;t argue that due this it&#039;s not a theory, but it seems that maybe Mary is saying exactly that?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>     So you think you &quot;came from a monkey&quot;........then go to the nearest zoo!!  A lot of &quot;intelligent design&quot; went into creation and His name is GOD.  The BEST SELLER of all time, called the Bible, clearly states , &quot;In the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth&quot;.  What about that don&#039;t you understand?  You may say, &quot;you don&#039;t have faith&quot;........yet everytime you get on an elevator and fly in a plane, you exercise and demonstrate your faith!  There will always be the &quot;remnant&quot; who believe the TRUTH and apparently you aren&#039;t part of it. 
     Hope I don&#039;t sound non-Christian.........just get tired of  &quot;sitting back&quot; and listening to what people WANT to hear.  God and the Bible make such people very uncomfortable! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think you &quot;came from a monkey&quot;&#8230;&#8230;..then go to the nearest zoo!!  A lot of &quot;intelligent design&quot; went into creation and His name is GOD.  The BEST SELLER of all time, called the Bible, clearly states , &quot;In the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth&quot;.  What about that don&#039;t you understand?  You may say, &quot;you don&#039;t have faith&quot;&#8230;&#8230;..yet everytime you get on an elevator and fly in a plane, you exercise and demonstrate your faith!  There will always be the &quot;remnant&quot; who believe the TRUTH and apparently you aren&#039;t part of it.<br />
     Hope I don&#039;t sound non-Christian&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;just get tired of  &quot;sitting back&quot; and listening to what people WANT to hear.  God and the Bible make such people very uncomfortable!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Kless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the real solution here is school choice. If we allow parents to send their kids to schools which will teach to their liking the free market will sort it all out. If you want your kids taught that the world cam into existence by being carried on the back of a giant turtle - that is great for you.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the real solution here is school choice. If we allow parents to send their kids to schools which will teach to their liking the free market will sort it all out. If you want your kids taught that the world cam into existence by being carried on the back of a giant turtle &#8211; that is great for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points. </description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally believe in Intelligent Design, but have no idea how the world was created.  Did &quot;God&quot; do it like it says in the Bible?  Or do Hindu&#039;s have it right? Buddha?  I&#039;m not sure that creationism and evolution have to be mutually exclusive.  Maybe evolution is how God made it work.   
 
I guess the main problem I have would be in the case of the stickers in E. Cobb Georgia.  Is evolution 100% indisputable fact?  No.  Don&#039;t we want our children to think, and to challenge everything; to expand their mind?  Of course.  There are admitted gaps and mysteries involved in evolution, so what&#039;s wrong with thinking critically of it?  Those who ascribe to religion, especially Christians in this country, are constantly criticized for being close-minded, and yet this is blatantly close-minded of those who worship at the altar of science.  They are the establishment and are protecting themselves.  This isn&#039;t about a fight for truth, this is about one group asserting their dominance over another that they abhor.  If it were about truth, then they would welcome challengers.  Were religious people trying to stir up trouble and create confusion about this topic like the ruling says? Maybe, maybe not.  There&#039;s no way for you or any federal judge to know.  It&#039;s awfully cynical of anyone to think so.  I have no idea how a government official can make that ruling, suggesting that they know the motives of these individuals.  I think that is unconsitutional. 
 
Ultimately I don&#039;t think that Intelligent Design has enough research, fact and science behind it to be taught equally at public schools.  However, I am 100% all for making sure all students know that Evolution is not infallible and that considering other possibilities is perfectly alright. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally believe in Intelligent Design, but have no idea how the world was created.  Did &quot;God&quot; do it like it says in the Bible?  Or do Hindu&#039;s have it right? Buddha?  I&#039;m not sure that creationism and evolution have to be mutually exclusive.  Maybe evolution is how God made it work.   </p>
<p>I guess the main problem I have would be in the case of the stickers in E. Cobb Georgia.  Is evolution 100% indisputable fact?  No.  Don&#039;t we want our children to think, and to challenge everything; to expand their mind?  Of course.  There are admitted gaps and mysteries involved in evolution, so what&#039;s wrong with thinking critically of it?  Those who ascribe to religion, especially Christians in this country, are constantly criticized for being close-minded, and yet this is blatantly close-minded of those who worship at the altar of science.  They are the establishment and are protecting themselves.  This isn&#039;t about a fight for truth, this is about one group asserting their dominance over another that they abhor.  If it were about truth, then they would welcome challengers.  Were religious people trying to stir up trouble and create confusion about this topic like the ruling says? Maybe, maybe not.  There&#039;s no way for you or any federal judge to know.  It&#039;s awfully cynical of anyone to think so.  I have no idea how a government official can make that ruling, suggesting that they know the motives of these individuals.  I think that is unconsitutional. </p>
<p>Ultimately I don&#039;t think that Intelligent Design has enough research, fact and science behind it to be taught equally at public schools.  However, I am 100% all for making sure all students know that Evolution is not infallible and that considering other possibilities is perfectly alright.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intelligent Design should be tought in the classroom.  I am 22 years old and from my experience the science curriculum being tought today is very weak especially when it comes to evolution.  Students are being confused as oppose to educated.  The playing field for both sides of the fence should be level regardless of personal beliefs.  I recommend viewing the film or reading the book Case for a Creator, even if you are not the religous type, it is a very good film.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intelligent Design should be tought in the classroom.  I am 22 years old and from my experience the science curriculum being tought today is very weak especially when it comes to evolution.  Students are being confused as oppose to educated.  The playing field for both sides of the fence should be level regardless of personal beliefs.  I recommend viewing the film or reading the book Case for a Creator, even if you are not the religous type, it is a very good film.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that some of the proponents of teaching &quot;Intelligent Design&quot; have a loose definition of the term &quot;theory&quot;.  Theory of Evolution maybe just a theory, but it is a heavily tested, experimented and studied  and reviewed theory.  Until the theory of Intelligent Design has met all the requirements to be defined as a scientific theory, than I believe the teaching of it should be left to the parents (and the church of their choice), of the each individual student--outside of public schools.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that some of the proponents of teaching &quot;Intelligent Design&quot; have a loose definition of the term &quot;theory&quot;.  Theory of Evolution maybe just a theory, but it is a heavily tested, experimented and studied  and reviewed theory.  Until the theory of Intelligent Design has met all the requirements to be defined as a scientific theory, than I believe the teaching of it should be left to the parents (and the church of their choice), of the each individual student&#8211;outside of public schools.</p>
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