Comments on: The Texas Polygamist Raid Was A Legal Lynch Mob.

By: Amy Philo

Amy Philo — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:16:14 +0000

I could not agree with you more. In fact I was writing a press release about this a few months ago and got sidetracked and never published it. But in my opinion this just shines a light on the overreaching abuses of the foster care system. I need to publish that paper now. Glad to see someone who I agree with on this issue.

By: Sheria

Sheria — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:03:25 +0000

This is the most intelligent assessment that I’ve read on this topic. I agree–legal lynch mob.

By: Debbie Berberi

Debbie Berberi — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:55:56 +0000

These kids need to be living in mainstream American society. Intervention is needed. What is happening there is sad and wrong! These girls are being forced into a life of slavery and rape. The boys are being abused as well and neglected emotionally. These kids need a chance to grow up and have normal lives…not grow up and have 10 children by the age of 30. They don’t have a choice…they are being abused and brainwashed. Please do something to stop this disgusting practice from going on. These people are hiding behind the face of organized religion to continue in a way of life that is full of greed and self-indulgence for the men and complete subservience for the women. They need to be stopped!!! The state of Texas had every right to go in and take these children out of this disgusting way of life. The young women are in danger of being raped and sexually abused (every day that they live there). The young girls don’t know any better. They are under threat to act any differently. They need rescuing badly. This so called “religion” is like a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”. If it is not corrected…the abuse will continue indefinitely. Further more…these people act like victims of the law…but, they are breaking the law every day.

By: Robin Fahlberg

Robin Fahlberg — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:28:52 +0000

It is my understanding that in addition to the phonecalls from the young woman claiming abuse (which may have been a hoax), the state also had information from an informant on the ranch and from women who had left the FLDS about abusive practices towards children, including older men having sex with girls 12-17 years of age. When authorities got to the ranch they found what looked like multiple pregnant teenagers. Women and children on the ranch either refused to tell CPS workers – or didn’t know -their age (sometimes invoking the 5th amendment), parentage, and living arrangements. In initial interviews on the ranch CPS workers were told that girls saw nothing wrong with spiritual marriages when they were underage. Given all of this, CPS decided to take all the children into custody. I think there are arguments on both sides as to whether this was 1) a wise decision, 2) legal under Texas law, or 3) Constitutional.
In the mandatory hearing 14 days later, it is pretty clear that CPS did not meet their burden of proving there was an immediate danger to the health and safety of all the children, and that there were no other alternative measures short of putting the children in foster care. This is what the Appeals Court and then the Texas Supreme Court addressed. They did not say that there was no abuse and they did not say that the original raid was unjustified.

By: Niels

Niels — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:42:48 +0000

Hey,

I was under the impression that parents who involve their family in illegal activity put their children at risk of being taken from them. If you smoke crack in a house, your kid can be seized. If you rob a bank and leave the kid in a child seat in the back of the van, your kid can be seized. If you counterfeit money in the den, your kid can be seized. If you commit a FEDERAL CRIME, your kid can be seized. Polyagmy IS A FEDERAL CRIME, your kid can be seized.

Plus, has no one asked where all the little boys are/went? Way too many women/girls too few men/boys. Abandoning a son on a street corner somewhere, means you give up the right to keep your daughter too.

These folks are CRIMINALS first. Maybe not convicted, but you don’t, in MOST cases, get to keep access to illegally acquired goods while the police/feds file charges and prosecute the crime. So why should they get their children back while their activities are investigated? Religious freedom does NOT allow you to violate local, state or federal laws.

Societal laws exist to protect the innocent. Where are all the anti-abortion activists on this? They work to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Why are children 18 and younger not afforded the same outcry and uproar?

By: John Thomas

John Thomas — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:58:47 +0000

Yes indeed it was a Federal led Lynch Mob. Pretty said that we have come to live in a Police State with Dictator G “Dubya” Bush at the helm. I bet the nations forefather’s are rolling over in their graves right now in utter disgust!

JJ
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

By: bosseynickers

bosseynickers — Mon, 26 May 2008 00:57:10 +0000

When unidentified populations of children are found in the boarder states in the care of followers of convicted sex offender what about a CPS investigation is
“abuse”? Would that be taking the individual rights of a child, or over four hundred
or “respecting” adults who can not deport themselves in a manner that inspires confidence?
That is not “knee jerk” anger. There is a summons for help. If these kooks were not obsessed about their superstitious ritualized secrets they were perfectly capable of meeting the initial attempt to investigate in a concerned manner appropriate to a large population of children.
Crime is serious. A crime against a child is henious. CPS invetigations take time.
Maybe you feel calm cool and collected mulling over childrape investigations. that all about you.

By: bosseynickers

bosseynickers — Mon, 26 May 2008 00:40:16 +0000

I am comfortable under the conditions that the authorities acted in good faith and that the individuals inhabiting the privately owned parcel are ill equipt to the co-oporation that a complaint of abuse on that property prudently did require.
CPS and the authorities responding to a summons for help did not know that over 400 children were living there. If such a large population of children were detected in a commune following a convicted sex offender and rumored sodomizer pedifil are you saying you would lie about your name or hinder a effort to id everyone? In this day and age with Amber alerts?
The individual rights of a person also mean that any kid can pick up a phone and
summons help. CPS and Texus and the feds are watching these followers.
Most parents have nothing to fear from an inquiry from CPS. Even when a crack pot
makes false accusations. The hitch for the bigamy as religion is that the initial interviews with youths did confirm a “Sarah” ect, and it is not the job of investigators to decide based on anything but what they find.
Much of the fuss from the sect members reflects the crazy making system they are
intangled within and the obsessive focus on ‘religion’. Most of us can talk about
ourselves and our families without a redundant referral to our religious view or other private matters. Not with mormons..its about the sexualization of all females to the virtual exclusion of anything else as religion..persicuted religion.

Every effort unique to this event: keeping the adult women with the children and
keeping nursing mothers with their infants and offering adult women options to stay close or go back are twisted to suggest that CPS was not offering attention
given the huge discreet population on the property parcel.
Also, the fact that CPS case management does work to reunite families. As apposed to seeking help voluntarily a court judgment steps in. Follow the ‘template’ and
what one is required and the matter comes to a close.
I do not “have to” understand the fiction of the book of mormon nor do I “have to” respect a white supremist cult. I do not have to like them. I do not have to
agree with their choices and I do not have to “believe” their kids can be abused
in any manner because of “religion”. ID and find any child who has been abandoned
by parents and set them free. Away from these fools and nuts.
The persicution and gradiousiy dillution are loco. Get a marrage license. Just say no to underage sex. Get a hobbie. Get a job. Let the kids have an education.

By: Swampyankee

Swampyankee — Sun, 25 May 2008 01:34:02 +0000

“The last temptation is the greatest treason, to do the right deed for the wrong reason.”
T.S. Elliot

I have no doubt that young girls have been horribly abused in the FLDS but to snatch, wholesale, all the children was wrong on every level. As a result of this action, the sect will go farther off the grid, making it harder for the abused and those that would help them, to get out.

By: Thunder888

Thunder888 — Sat, 24 May 2008 20:21:49 +0000

Dont get me wrong, Im not for polygamy. I believe they are missinterpreting certain passages in scripture. Its not new testament. Besides finding your “Darling” sounds more appealing anyway. (darling= “one and only”)

By: Thunder888

Thunder888 — Sat, 24 May 2008 20:15:22 +0000

We know that the molestation charges are trumped up charges. What about polygamy? How much actual polygamy is going on? Probably not much. And even if so, is that any worse than a guy or a girl having multiple partners, or dating even? At least they are under the umbrella of marriage. Oh, where is it anyones business deciding what age someone can and cannot get married? I believe the wicked are trying to defile these young women (and young men) by villainizing them that would treat them with respect and honor. They want them to be little whores and cads so they dont make the “winners” of the world look bad.

By: Thunder888

Thunder888 — Sat, 24 May 2008 20:02:33 +0000

Upon close inspection, it looks like only 12 of 440 children are actually going home after the ruling. Are they holding the rest during the appeal process?

By: Thunder888

Thunder888 — Sat, 24 May 2008 19:55:42 +0000

Many here speak as if there are actual pedophiles there…THERE ARE NOT…YOU ARE MENTALLY MASTURBATING…WITH YOUR IMAGINARY CELL MATE..SO KEEP ON TALKING…YOU ARE THE PERVERTS. YOU ARE THE LAST DAYS SODOMITES LOOKING FOR SOME FRESH MEAT..

(This is to the ones who just dont hear the court ruling, as if they have any more evidence than the court. Proves they perverts. Mark them.

Deuteronomy 32
[30] How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
[31] For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
[32] For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
[33] Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
[34] Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
[35] To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

By: Don

Don — Sat, 24 May 2008 05:14:20 +0000

I find it interesting that the legal age for consentual sex in Texas is 17, but the legal age for marriage without parental consent is 18.